As usual, the fact that the Fort Hood attack was perpetrated by an Islamic extremist is being minimized by the media and the White House. There has been a pattern of such "down play", stemming from the DC sniper John Allen Mohammed, the attack on the recruiting office in Arkansas by Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, and the planned attacks against Fort Dix in New Jersey.
The fact is, few get on subways worrying about Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, or Christian extremists bent on self detonation. On the other hand, terrorist attacks by Islamic terrorists are common in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. Spain, Indonesia, Britain, Australia, Russia, India, and Germany have been victimized by Islamic terror.
The attack on Fort Hood was another attack carried out by a radical Muslim bent on killing Americans because they were infidels. This was not a "crazy", a guy who snapped, or a disgruntled postal worker. The attack was carried out after Nidal Hassan yelled "Allah Akbar", a common pattern of behaviour for Muslim terrorists. Not only that, Hassan attempted to contact Al Qaida and made his anti-American, pro-jihad views known while serving in the Army. How his behaviour did not warrant consequences will haunt many families and servicemen forever.
For whatever reason, thousands of young Muslim men continue to find themselves enchanted by Islamic extremism. They are often fueled by Imams and literature preaching hate and radicalism. The Koran fuels their hate with anti-Semitic and violent passages compelling them to kill for their faith. This is a problem which Muslim leaders have failed to adequately address, continually. The result has been attacks by groups, coordinating with Al Qaida or other radical group or even individuals acting alone but inspired by Islamic terrorists.
If you ask me, Fort Hood was an act of Islamic terrorism plain and simple and to see it any other way is wilful blindness.
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No it could not be anything else. I'm sick of hearing the MSM, say that they wonder what the motive could be. Sick.
Political correctness reigns. As with crimes where the culprit is obvious, he(Hasan) is still referred to by the media as 'a suspect'.
You guys don't get it. The person reported as doing all the awful things at Fort Hood is entitled to basic tenets of justice. He very well may be an extremist. But why the rush to judgement.. is that typical of you folks... do you just not get it?? ((:-))
Aw Dave, what do you really think? Is he guilty or not? Just take a position.
Dave is typical of the panty-waste left who apologize for the enemies of freedom and democracy. Nothing new, they've been around for hundreds of years.
Dave, I agree with you but these "strong conservatives" are too busy imagining enemies around every corner to actually let logic, facts and reality into their lives...
Cherniak, why don't you explain what you think the attack was then. Please enlighten us knuckledraggers with your wisdom.
BTW, no one is saying that justice should not be served, we're merely commenting on the fact that this was act of Islamic terror. Conservatives believe in the rule of law, it is the foundation of individual rights.
Yeah,Dave/WTF I am not saying just stand Hasan in front of a brick wall and shoot him without a trial as what would be done in some countries. I am saying try him first then shoot him(heh)
The claim that this radical muslim who committed a terrorist act was suffering from post tramatic waga wonk, is nothing more than Liberalism trying to spin the blame on the culprit, radical islam.
PC be damed. This man plotted this, and did this for his beloved Allah. All the evidence is there.
Why libtards continue to defend radical islam is besides me.
Lets not jump to conclusions here, says BO, yet jumps all over the Cambridge police, with no facts.
Now we have PC police traveling the country making sure the muslims get a pillow and chocolate, with a cute bedtime story. What about us?
Why are the muslims not standing up to the radicals? Shhhh....dont tell anyone i said this...but..i think they really could care less about it, as long as we dont offend them and their peaceful bastion.
Cherniak- Let me tell you about logic, since Libtards live in the cosmos. With all the facts that this man did it for his own Jihad on America, Libtards refuse to see the reality and facts, and instead focus on thei clowns feelings, and what America did to this man to make him go nuts. Are you kidding me? Thats a Libtard! Its on display daily.
Yes, indeed he will get a trial, no one said he would not. There are no dillusions about what and why this happened here, as will be proven in a trial.
PLease tell me one, just one imaginary enemy us STRONG CONSERVATIVES are looking for?
I will be eagerly awaiting this response so i can seek that enemy out with my evil gun, and my evil intent.LOL libtards.
If you're arguing that religious fundamentalism is a terrible blight on humanity, this progressive "libtard" won't argue with you.
The surrender of you moral centre to someone else's will is always going to lead to trouble. 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, suicide bombing, settlements in the promised land, the Holocaust. All of these can point to people who shut down their reasoning faculties in favour of a dogma.
Yes, it's true that the suspected Fort Hood shooter is always listed as "alleged". That's the way he legally has to be listed until he's convicted. Otherwise it's called libel.
He was not suffering from PTSD, he was suffering from PreTSD. He had not been to war yet. O'Reilly said, it is now a communicable disease, spread via a virus. LOL
His lawyer has met him for about 30 minutes and he was hired by the family. He is worried he wont get a fair trial. Why is he still referred to as a suspect.
Watching Fox, and it appears O will send more troops, and a large contigent will be trainers. Hey, how long does it take to train a cdn or US soldier. Are the afghans that stupid they need 8 yrs to be trained.
Greg said-If you're arguing that religious fundamentalism is a terrible blight on humanity, this progressive "libtard" won't argue with you.
Im glad YOU wont. Its sad your fellow "progressives" see this problem as America's fault.
Greg said-The surrender of you moral centre to someone else's will is always going to lead to trouble. 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, suicide bombing, settlements in the promised land, the Holocaust. All of these can point to people who shut down their reasoning faculties in favour of a dogma.
I love how you slipped the invasion of Iraq in there, and in doing so, equate it to the holocaust and 9/11. How in the hell is that the same thing? Are you trying to make the point that the planned and plotted, intentional murder of inncocent humans with the worst possible means, is the same as Iraq? My goodness, if so, I hope your lunar pod lands safely on earth. That the most ignorant analogy I have ever come across, hence the term LIBTARD.
Greg said-Yes, it's true that the suspected Fort Hood shooter is always listed as "alleged". That's the way he legally has to be listed until he's convicted. Otherwise it's called libel.
Um.....I dont remeber him being on trial at the moment. Besides that, when did it become "libel" to make observations based on facts about an incident? If we were to point things out that were not fact, then that indeed would be wrong, but it is what it is, and whats your point?
You seem to want to defend "allegations" here, your free to do so. WE will continue to discuss our opinions. I know thats a terrible thing for a progressive to allow, the free thinking of individuals, but it never the less will continue. Feelings will be hurt, and people will get offended, thats ok.
One last thing....Where was the concern for nutrality when the Liberal king of earth, Obama, jumped all over the Cambridge Police department, for acting stupidly. without facts?
I live in the really real world my freind.
I'm not comparing 9/11, the invasion of Iraq and the Holocaust by size. (although the death count in Iraq is getting close, it's not like rounding up Iraqis and gassing them). I'm comparing them as horrific things caused by obedience to dogma.
I could have listed circumcision (male or female), beheadings and witch burnings as well.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/08/gog-magog-and-george-bush
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Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East.... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
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Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Al Qaeda and had no WMD. It was attacked because of biblical fundamentalism.
Are you going to pretend that the "Shock and Awe" bombing wasn't the intentional killing of thousands of civilians? Do you know how big those bombs are? Are you unaware of the quotes from Cheney et al explaining why they didn't go in to Baghdad the first time (because of the likelihood of civil war). And how is dying from Depleted Uranium poisoning better than having a plane smashed in to your office building? I don't know what scale of "death value" you're using, but I don't see the difference.
It doesn't matter when the guy at Fort Hood is on trial or not. Newspapers can't legally call him "the Fort Hood Shooter" until he's been convicted.
I was going to comment on the last automotonic and dillusional statements by "greg". Why bother. This creature has his wannabid beads wrapped too tight around his neck to comprehend reality.
I think this guy needs to write stories about how elf's and unicorns conspire together to bring down the Mayan prophecy regarding the end of the world.
I also thought that Heroin was a 1960's thing, but some are still on it apperantly.
Sometimes....its not effective to debate using facts with Libatards.
AS much as you can spoon feed them, they resist, on ideological reasoning, and not logic.
SO maybe we should discuss something that Liberals know alot about, and thats the imagination. Reality is off limits, and unfair.
Me: assertion that the invasion of Iraq, like 9/11, was a result of religious dogma.
You: LIBTARD ... something about the moon.
Me: Here's a quote backing up my assertion
You: LIBTARD! Elf, unicorn! Heroin.
My point is that the surrender to religious dogma, the abrogation of your own moral filter, is the danger. Whether it's Christian, Muslim or Jewish, it's a disastrous thing to do. Every religion has in it a text somewhere that will justify atrocity. Responsibility is being smart enough to filter out the immoral.
If you would like to participate in a reasoned discussion, please feel free to present facts. If you prefer name-calling and insults, please find a playground.
I didn't really want to mediate here because debate is good, but let's be civil to one another and not resort to Olbermann-like personal attacks for any ideological disagreement.
Every ideology finds ways of justifying violence whether religion, humanism, political belief, or whatever. The fact is that humanity has always had the capacity to kill and will always kill to achieve its means unless restrained by reason, love, law, morality, or whatever.
Ultimately, we will all be judged.
That said, with the increasing evidence coming to light of Hasan, it seems rather clear to me that his primary motivation to kill was his religious beliefs, however warped. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to present your case.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Al Qaeda and had no WMD. It was attacked because of biblical fundamentalism.
Prove this!!!!
I am to be compassionate and level headed when someone spits this out?
I have first hand knowledge about Iraq. Excuse me if I get a bit fired up. Im sick of people who read radical books and listen to NPR to get intel on their talking points.
Where is the debate on facts? I havent seen a drop of factual sentiment in anything Greg has stated.
Prove the statement that we entered a war with Iraq based on religion, and I will recant my subtle insults.
Jonathan D. Strong said...
Dave is typical of the panty-waste left who apologize for the enemies of freedom and democracy. Nothing new, they've been around for hundreds of years
Jonathan D. Strong said...
I didn't really want to mediate here because debate is good, but let's be civil to one another and not resort to Olbermann-like personal attacks for any ideological disagreement.
Jonathan?
GregGVDC,
Are you offended by "panty-waste left"? I thought it was a rather nuanced attack on the weakness of leftist attitudes towards war and peace. Just look up the "Copperhead Democrats" of the Civil War who believed in peace at any price. If I caused you great offence, please accept my sincere regrets.
I'm not sure how 9/11 and Iraq came up. Are we then in agreement that Hasan was a radical Muslim which provided the motivation for his attack?
I would think it a stretch to say that the Iraq invasion was to bring the Iraqis to Jesus. I thought it was about oil and the American Empire? That's what the left has been preaching since 2003.
Greg I certainly agree with you about NPR, its certainly useless to those who want in depth reporting on the important issues of the day.
I dont subscribe that the Iraq War was about religion, but rather ensuring a regional threat did not pose a domestic terror channel via WMD's. The Bush rationale was wrong, but I think the desire to spread democracy, freedom, tolerance, and human rights was noble and worth the cost.
Jon
No brother, I was not offended by any comments you made, I was commenting on the fact that you stated you did not want to mediate posts, and wanted to eliminate name calling. I was pointing out the panty waste comment about the left and my Libtard remark, are equal insulting. Make no mistake, Im not going to candy coat my opinions and impressions of people whom post garbage about our country on any post. I will show my compassion when its equally given. You are correct about the panty waist, as I am correct in assuming a person whom op's with no facts, with no logical reasoning is mentally challenged.
It is what it is, though they can try to sound intelligent in writing, the reality is retarded. I am not a politically correct follower, and i state what i think. This is your blog, and if you wish not to have freedom of debate to include observations of ones intent and character, then I appologize for going over the line.
A poster name Greg said-The surrender of you moral centre to someone else's will is always going to lead to trouble. 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, suicide bombing, settlements in the promised land, the Holocaust. All of these can point to people who shut down their reasoning faculties in favour of a dogma.
This remark is what caused me to go "olberman" as you say. Because this not only was the dumbest thing i have ever heard, i took it personal because I did not go to Iraq for someone to equate our mission there in comparison to the Nazi killings in WW2. Though he can deny he said it, thats the way it was presented. Sick....
The debate over WMD's is a heated one. One side says they had em, the other says no. How did Saddam kill thousounds of Kurds? he used a WMD. When a weapon kills thousands, its considered a weapon of mass destruction.
The argument that Iraq did not have the capacity to utilize a WMD can be dispelled simply stating "Scud Missle". Ask Israel about scuds missles and their potential capacity for mass destruction. The liberals cant dispute this.
The argument about Iraq ties to terror is another pot. Everyone wants to talk about, the intel used was incorrect, and did not justify our attack.
Ask these same people whom use the intel spew, how it is that years prior to our war in Iraq, the entire world declared that Iraq was a terror haven, it became political, all of the sudden everyone had to change their assesment. Why? Had a Democrat won the election, instead of Bush, the war would have been gainfully approved by the entire world. There would be no dispute, and no protest.
Liberals only support wars that they start.
I could go on for days, but who would listen to reason?
The left has had their rear end handed to them in regards to the war, many times over, and they still persist, this is a war about oil and religion.
If its for oil, why is gas still around 3 bucks a gallon? Bush is not in office anymore, so you would think the prices would go down since he no longer had the ability to rape Iraq for oil right?
Then to inject religion or dogma or whatever, in an attempt to paint the crusade picture, is absurd. We dont behead captives for Jesus, we treat our enemy combatants like royalty, just ask the guests at Gitmo.
Somehow we are the bad ones here, as usual, the left looks to blame America first, for defending itself and its interest.
Why is that a bad thing?
We get hit on 9/11, and the left wonder what WE did to piss the peacefull loving Islamist off.
The rhetoric is being applied by the left to this radical shooter at fort hood. By painting him a depressed and oppressed muslim, not a terrorist.
We have to take sides here, the enemy within is the liberal, and his distorted imagination about what we know as reality.
There is no need to treat the enemy, or anyone that has compassion for them with any civility.
I don't even know where to start.
I posted a sourced quote of George Bush explaining to Chirac that he wanted to go in to Iraq because he had to stop "Gog And Magog". There's a similar quote which he used on the Palestinians.
"God told me to invade Iraq"
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/10/7/headlines
The original source is the BBC.
His favourite philosopher was Jesus. He was strongly supported by the 10-15% of the population that wants the Jews to take over the Promised Land so Jesus can come back.
Either George Bush was a hypocrite or he attacked Iraq for religion. Remember when he wanted to call it a "Crusade"? Do you think that was an innocent mistake from a guy who claims Jesus was his favourite philosopher?
It sucks. It sucks on the level of an abomination that noble people, trusting in the honesty and integrity of their leaders, are sent to war for greed and the aggrandizement of those leaders.
People in that position have my sympathy. And it's a damned bitter pill to swallow to find out that you've been led astray by liars. I have nothing against the soldiers who were sent to Iraq. They were lied to. They were sent, without knowing it, on an immoral mission.
For the record, I think little better of Bill Clinton. It was on his watch that sanctions enforced upon Iraq did nothing to weaken Saddam's power and everything to starve his already impoverished people. Clinton was better spoken. That's about all that I can say. He's no hero to me.
Maybe it's worth pointing out that I'm writing from Canada. The "left" here is very happy not to have involved itself in Iraq. In this country, the "right has had its rear handed to it" for having supported the war. Our present Prime Minister tries every chance he gets to pretend he never supported it.
And the reason gas is still at $3/gallon is because the war isn't going well. I don't mean to pick on you, but that's just the way it is.
Gitmo is royalty? I'm not sure where to go with that. All I have are reports from Canadians who were renditioned to Syria and tortured or sent to Sudan and tortured because our nations jointly suspected them of terrorism. If you think Gitmo is significantly different form Abu Ghraib, I'm not sure how to touch this issue with you at all.
And yes, I will admit to the fact that if somebody was willing to blow himself up to hurt me, I'd have spent a lot more time wondering how the hell he got to hate me so much. Maybe it's his fault. Maybe it's something I did. There are no excuses for such behaviour, but there may be reasons. Those reasons should have been understood long, long before these wars were started. Because these wars have made those reasons stronger.
And for the record, separately, I think the Fort Hood Shooter, from all of the preliminary information, is quite probably a religious jackass. He's as vile and contemptible as any priest who hid behind the church after raping little boys, any 3rd world jealous suitor who throws acid on a woman's face, as any father who participates in an "honour killing" or anybody who shoots abortion doctors.
I live in Canada, that retched hive of left-wing socialism. I live with people who vote well to the left. And none of us express any sympathy for him.
Around here, we'd lock him away for the rest of his life for what he did. I imagine you will get around to shooting him.
Just because we're trying to understand his behaviour doesn't mean we sympathize. All we want to know is why it happened so we can catch the next one before it does, maybe even before the religious brainwashing starts.
Still no facts.....Typical. I gave you ample time to google your favorite Daily KOS, moveon.org, code pink, talking points. Nothing!
Everything you stated Greg can be cut and pasted from any left wing blog talking point.
I ask, is there anyone with any substance, that can factually prove Greg's conspiracy theories?
Show me the money!!!! Iraq+oil=zero proof.
Iraq+invasion+religion+Bush=zero proof..
several hundred blogs and I still cant get anyone to articulate the war for oil theory.
At least entertain us with something different, something spicy, something more crazy than just the same ol war for oil mantra.
Greg...Let me make you understand something here. If i have offended you or insulted you personally in anyway, I really am sorry. I dont know you. I am simply insulting your theories. When you compare terrorist to some nutjob who murders an abortion doctor???? Wow....I could laugh till it hurts, but then i realize, that some people actually believe that.
Anyways, have fun looking Greg. Let me know....well..let someone else know when you get the proof. Im sure I will be in heaven a great while before that happens.
Still no facts?
I wasn't arguing that Iraq was a war for oil. That's a separate debate entirely. I was arguing that religious dogma is dangerous and using the war in an Iraq as an example. I gave you two quotes from George Bush.
“Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East.... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
and this:
"God told me to invade Iraq"
I'm not sure what other facts you are expecting.
That George Bush's favourite philosopher is Jesus Christ? Are you disputing Bush's vociferously declared religion?
Seriously, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like we're arguing two separate things.
Bush was actually the lost, unknown son of Adolf Hitler, adopted by the Bush family as part of a sweet deal and promise to one day conquer the world leaving a super race of people that killed chickens in hopes that they would produce oil and profit from the corpse.
Bush and his evil sidekick Cheney were given magical powers by the high priest of Madawongta to have the ability to create Hurricanes, like Katrina, that were designed to hunt down poor minority cities and avoid the great white man. This was done in fact, to scare the poor folks who did not believe that chickens make oil when shot in the left eye by men wearing Spiderman underoos and night vision goggles.
In order to complete his set of terror trading cards, Bush invaded Iraq. The evil Cheney was mad that Bush had two sets of Bin Laden super embossed trading cards, you know the real rare and numbered ones, so Cheney built a pipeline in Iraq with his beloved followers of satan's book, Halliburton. They then imported all of Iraq’s oil, and top secret chicken torture methods, and hide the oil in offshore commodities in the country of Iran.
“That will teach Bush” Cheney stated in the October 29th edition of Evil Capitalist, interview by Rush Limbaugh.
The balloon boy who was feared trapped in the silver spaceship like balloon was actually a pamphlet deplorer on a mission to deliver Intel documents that contained special seeds. These seeds according to the Prophet Dino were to be dropped into the water supplies in order to inspire chickens to commit suicide rather than Bush trying to pass the bill that mandated it. This bill known as the Amnesty bill was thrown out because it clearly stated in the bill that Elvis participated in the running of the bulls in Pamplona Spain during the faked propaganda wars which destroyed two valued baboon villages in east Timor.
Bush made a promise to uphold his mission to conquer the non Christian world. In a dark secret dungeon located below Harvard University, Bush, Cheney, and Sarah Palin played rock, paper and scissors to decide plan B, codenamed light bright, this plan was developed to brainwash the non believers into fearing the Jewish revolution that had started 3000 years ago. Michael Moore is currently doing a movie on this, due for release in 2012.
AL Gore is really an alien from outer Phenol sent here to reduce carbon emissions because the right wing party sent group emails begging for the reduction of prison time for a convicted blue bird who accidentally crapped on an abortion clinic in 76’.
While shooting craps with the bloods and crips in south central LA, and being down fity bones, Bush decided to blame all of this on Bin Laden and Hussein. Over 500 billion Americans, now believe there is a chicken shortage and its all because Ronald Reagan flew to Berlin to beg the communists to eat the homeless and mail the hair to Mexico so Reagan could make Mexico produce thousands of Voodoo Dolls, which resemble Cyndi Lauper.
If the last post seemed freaky, then you understand what a Conservative deals with in blogs.
You have to laugh, whether your on the left or right at this one.
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